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Posted by: AGelbert
« on: March 24, 2024, 08:48:05 pm »

Hebrews Chapter 12 verses 10-13 KJV

For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
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Near death experience(part1)


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Near death experience(part2)



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« on: February 17, 2024, 03:01:55 pm »



Posted by: AGelbert
« on: February 15, 2024, 05:39:38 pm »

Netanyahu's ZIONIST MESSAGE TO people of good will in general and Palestinians in particular:



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"See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil, in that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply; and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

But if thine heart turn away so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away and worship other gods and serve them, I declare unto you this day that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land whither thou passest over the Jordan to go to possess it." -- Deuteronomy 30:15-18

The Jews turned to other gods and were thrown out of Israel. History is about to repeat itself, for the same reason.

The ZIONIST DIASPORA out of Palestine has already begun. Nearly 500,000 ZIONISTS have left Palestine with their racist, bigoted, hate filled idolatrous tail between their legs over the past 4 months.

God is not mocked.
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« on: February 03, 2024, 05:58:40 pm »



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« on: January 28, 2024, 04:28:54 pm »

Would The World Be Better Without Religion? 🤦‍♂️ | Ash Sarkar talks to Aaron Bastani


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Violent people will always be violent regardless of their religion. Religion isnt bad, bad people use religion in a way that is bad. Religions teach love, respect and kindness, not to kill, not to steal etc.

AGelbert (i.e. @soberthinking2102) COMMENTS:

@soberthinking2102
"Would The World Be Better Without Religion?"

You have GOT to be kidding!

The World is THE WAY IT NOW IS BECAUSE the Sacred Commandment (i.e. 🕊️ Do onto others as you would have them do unto you.), taught by the three main Theistic Religions, has been rejected by TPTB WORLDWIDE, who have, for over a CENTURY now, EMBRACED Social Darwinism, which considers altruism as a "weakness".

Humanism is ideologically inseparable from Darwinian Atheism. Thus, it ALWAYS leads to EGOCENTRIC worship of the self. That is the PROBLEM today, NOT "religion".

Plato's Cave

Humanists are so deep inside Plato's Cave that it will take a miracle to get them to see how socially destructive their self worship is.
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“The world says: "You have needs -- satisfy them. You have as much right as the rich and the mighty. Don't hesitate to satisfy your needs; indeed, expand your needs and demand more." This is the worldly doctrine of today. And they believe that this is freedom. The result for the rich is isolation and suicide, for the poor, envy and murder.” ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov
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“Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.” ― Fyodor Dostoevsky
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"if God doesn't exist, then everything is permitted" ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

Human Inequity is directly proportional to human iniquity. - A. G. Gelbert

@soberthinking2102
The ELEPHANT in the (morally bankrupt dystopia) room is SOCIAL DARWINISM.

Social Darwinists believe that the dictum “survival of the fittest” (a term coined not by Charles Darwin but by sociologist Herbert Spencer) means that only the fittest should survive. Darwin's book published later ("Descent of Man") made it clear that Darwin completely supported the morally bankrupt views of Spencer.

Enthusiastic converts to Social Darwinism have, to this day, used the language of evolution to frame an understanding of the growing gulf between the rich and the poor, as well as the many differences between cultures all over the world. The explanation they arrived at, and continue to use to justify biosphere trashing profit over people and planet, regardless of any alligator tear filled mendacious claims to the contrary, is that businessmen and others who are economically and socially successful are so because they are biologically and socially “naturally” the fittest.

Conversely, they reason that the poor are “naturally” weak and unfit and it would be an error to allow the weak of the species to continue to breed.

The money lenders have played a key role in funding this deceit propagated in high schools and universities, where it is passed off as "the Capitalist fiduciary duty of corporations to make a profit above ANY OTHER CONSIDERATION, be it the health and wellbeing of employees or the environment". It is, and always was, legerdemain formulated by the monied elite to dress up selfish, abusive, exploitative and cruel behavior towards "less important" humans and/or animals experimented upon in research labs, as "scientifically justified".

The wealthy, privileged whites served by the dominant political class are a small minority of the population. That’s the ongoing legacy of conquest, colonialism and proletarianization. Seen in this light, the unnecessary human suffering and death during the current environmental and social catastrophe — whose full effects are only now beginning to be felt — connect every community in the WORLD where short-term economic and political expediency have combined with racist, classist and ableist dehumanization to render mass populations disposable before, during, and after natural and human-induced disasters.

As humans are subject to the brutal impacts of inevitable climate change, we face a clear choice: strong government intervention to save our lives, or a “survival of the fittest” dystopia that TPTB relentlessly advocate.

IT'S THE SOCIAL DARWINISM, STUPID!

The Social Darwinist Oligarchs hate you. They want you to be slaves on their plantation. They want you to have no rights, no freedom, and no future. TPTB are there to turn your energy state into fear and anger and sorrow. 

Whether he realized it or not at the time, when Sinclair Lewis wrote this in 1935, he was describing the Social Darwinist worldview: “Every man is a king so long as he has someone to look down on.” -- Sinclair Lewis

The celebrated social theorist and geographer David Harvey explains that neoliberal ideology serves the following principle:
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"There shall be no serious challenge to the absolute power of money to rule absolutely. And that power is to be exercised with one objective: <i>Those possessed of money shall not only be privileged to accumulate wealth endlessly at will, but they shall have the right to inherit the earth, taking either direct or indirect dominion, not only of the land and all the resources and productive capacities that reside therein, but also assume absolute command, directly or indirectly, over the labor and creative capacities of all those others it needs. The rest of humanity shall be deemed disposable."

If that isn't Social Darwinism, I don't know what is.

@soberthinking2102
There is PLENTY wrong with secular society.
I can see why Socialists sometimes make the argument that it was the Christian Religion that got us to this sad state of affairs. Heretical forms of Christianity certainly did contribute, but Religions in the service of TPTB during any time period in human history do not have a patent on abuse, exploitation and cruelty.[ The fact that evil bastards claim that "God" is with them does not, now, or ever, justify condemning theism in any form as the "cause" of said abuse, exploitation and cruelty.

So, what IS the ROOT CAUSE of mankind's inhumanity to mankind?

Marx postulated a new man, that would overcome all that socially destructive stuff humans engage in WITHOUT God's help because "God is a myth and Religion is the opiate of the masses promoted on behalf of Capitalism based GREED by TPTB" (or something like that - you get the idea). He was half right. TPTB, at least in western "civilization", hypocrites to the core, promote a HERETICAL version of Christianity.

As to the fallen nature of mankind that Marx rejected, the evidence of history argues that we certainly DO have a fallen nature. The evidence of history argues that the human heart is wicked beyond any materialistic cause and effect definition. Christian Scripture states that there is only the OLD man and only through the power of the Holy Spirit of God can the wickedness inherent in every single adult human be tamed so that altruism and cooperation is the rule, and not the exception. Yes, that is a BIG difference from Marx's optimistic take on what we are capable of. Marx thought we could fix all our social problems without recourse to a Supreme Being.

You may wholeheartedly agree with Marx, but you cannot fail to observe that things are getting worse, not better. Things are getting worse because GREED, SELFISHNESS and SELF-WORSHIP in the fallen heart of humans who reject obedience to God is rampant, not because of Christianity based Religion. If you put much of the blame on Social Darwinsim, which is the REAL Religion of TPTB, I would agree. 

Sorry for being so long winded, but I cannot help but look around and see how BAD things are getting. WHO corrupts the politicians? It sure ain't God fearing Christians! Making them the whipping boy is fun, but avoids addressing the ROOT of the problem of human depravity.

C.S. Lewis wrote, and I agree, that it is Pride which has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began. Other vices may sometimes bring people together: you may find good fellowship and jokes and friendliness among drunken people or unchaste people. But Pride always means enmity—it is enmity. And not only enmity between man and man, but enmity to God." -- Quote from Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis.

So, yeah, I believe that Socialism without the fear of God is quixotic, which makes me unpleasant company for the "new man" advocates. Nevertheless, I'll take any port in the ideological storm that champions the health and welfare of less fortunate humans in the home and in the workplace. I pray that you will do the same.

@soberthinking2102
Dawkins is a Legerdemain mouthpiece for the Ideology of "Apex Predators" (i.e. Social Darwinists 'R' US). Every single clever mendacity and doubletalk masterpiece he has written studiously IGNORE(S) the irrefutable scientific evidence of Intelligent Design.

The Deluded are those who take his "God Delusion - Blind Watchmaker " books seriously.

@soberthinking2102
Intelligent Design is scientifically irrefutable. Darwinain "Theory" based Atheism is pseudo-scientific wishful thinking.
   
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Posted by: AGelbert
« on: January 18, 2024, 01:42:12 pm »


The Moral BANKRUPTCY of Zionists and Hagee "Evangelical "Christian" PERVERTED gospel of Christ

@soberthinking2102
The IDF is THE most morally BANKRUPT military in the WORLD! The truth of the Zionist Orwellian doubletalk is now being exposed for all to see. The Zionist Israeli HERETICAL REPROBATE Hasbara Hell Spawn modus operandi, and their eventual DOWNFALL, is described accurately in Psalm 64 Torah Scripture that the FAKE Jew Zionists violate every time they add another bold faced LIE to their 75 year long list.

Psalm 64
1 Hear my voice, O God, in my prayer: preserve my life from fear of the enemy.
2 Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity:
3 Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words:
4 That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not.
5 They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
6 They search out iniquities; they accomplish a diligent search: both the inward thought of every one of them, and the heart, is deep.
7 But God shall shoot at them with an arrow; suddenly shall they be wounded.
8 So they shall make their own tongue to fall upon themselves: all that see them shall flee away.

As to the "Evangelical Christian" PERVERTED gospel of Christ, that, in DIRECT OPPOSITION to Christ's Matthew 7:12 Commandment (👉📢 🕊️ "Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets.), SUPPORTS Israeli atrocities in Gaza, these words from Paul the Apostle APPLY:

Galatians Chapter 1
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Posted by: AGelbert
« on: January 11, 2024, 03:02:32 pm »


AGelbert NOTE: Originally posted June 30, 2019 at my old forum, Renewable Revolution. Since then, my oldest sister and my first wife have both died. I continue to have no contact whatsoever with any family because they have not shown any remorse for their greed based pseudo-christian modus vivendi. May God have mercy on them and convict them of their sins so they can repent before it is too late, as appears to have been the case for my oldest brother, sister and first wife.
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The Racist Nextdoor

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Neither Nextdoor nor Neighbors have responded to The Root’s request for comment. Ultimately, Nextdoor is just a piece of technology and a tool for communication that can be used for good or evil. These apps aren’t creating more discrimination. When someone burns a cross or sends a racist letter, it is not the fault of the tree that produced the paper or lumber.

“I mean, there’s racist people on Facebook, on Twitter, everywhere,” said Stinton. “It is like being a fly on the wall in a roomful of racists who all think they are invisible. I can’t imagine what it’s like for a person of color to have to see that.”

“I can,” said the invisible black man.

“It’s like living in America.”

Full article:
https://www.theroot.com/the-racist-nextdoor-1835939264

Thank you for posting the above story, Surly. 👍

I read the article with interest, since I have been on both ends of racism evil. Also, the question about choosing between being able to fly or being invisible resonated with me. I have often wished to be able to become invisible at will, but not so I can spy on people; my motivation is based on avoiding being on the receiving end of casual racism. This is why, here in Vermont, I have adopted a reclusive life style.

I have discussed the way it "works" here with you before, so I won't go into that, except to say that I read (several years ago now) about how popular with Vermonters some selectively local internet software (like "Neighbor") was. When I read that happy talk about how great it was to share important local info, I immediately knew that a significant percentage of that "important info" most Vermonters were sharing was casual racism, though the article did, of course, not imply that.


It was a source of sadness for me because I agree that said apps do knit a community closer together and do facilitate kindness and help in time of need. The problem is that too many Vermonters regard quick access to a timely warning, a kind word or a helping hand as a privilege not to be shared with "outsiders". Moreover, they are quite skilled at microaggressions (i.e. legal harrassment) for the purpose of letting "outsiders" know, in no uncertain terms, that they are not welcome to participate. :(

I am sure Vermont society is not unique in this regard. I actually admire how Vermonters stick together and care for their own. Their lack of trust and acceptance of "outsiders" is based on hard experience, so it is not an illogical or implicitly immoral modus vivendi.

Of course, the Devil always manages to get into the details. Overly provincial Vermonters are shooting themselves in the foot by arbitrarily accepting fellow Vermonters (some who will rob you blind with a smile on their face), while arbitrarily rejecting "outsiders" like me and my wife. It is, of course, our loss. But, I have no doubt that it is, even more so, their loss.

Some may read this and ask, "WHY don't you move?". "Because I like it here", is the first thing that comes into my head when I ask myself that question.

However, it is only partially accurate. I do like cold weather and marked seasonal changes, so that covers why the climate here is agreeable with me (and my wife too!).

My support of socialist politics has nothing to do with living in Vermont. If you think the majority of Vermonters are "Socialists", or that the State Government is "Socialist", you have never lived here AND have listened to a lot of hype from the media about "Liberal Socialist" Vermont.

Capitalism is prevalent here, unfortunately. There are some (rather paltry) heating assistance programs for the poor but, really, there is nothing Socialist about the Vermont State Government and the overwhelming majority of Vermonters.   

The best answer I can honestly provide is that I experienced complete and utter rejection at the hands of my friends and family due to my challenging my father and siblings in 2004, when they took me to court so I would accept a pittance for my inheritance due from my mother, who died in 1990. Said "agreement" would have stripped me of any right to an inheritance from my father when he died. Perhaps I should have agreed, since Christ did say that you should just let them take what they wanted when someone asked for something, even to the point of offering more than they wanted ( Luke 6:30 "Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back."  Matthew 5:40 "And if any man will sue thee at the law and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also." ).

But, unlike my father and all my siblings, I am poor. I perceived their unprincipled behavior, not as that of one who begs, or one who takes out of simple aggressive avarice, but one who deliberately abuses a poor brother (But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him? 1 John 3:17).

I stated they were unjust and, of course, lost even the roughly $46,000 (MINUS $7,500 in "legal" fees for the lawyer who happened to be Larry's new wife's son) they had offered in the process. Perhaps I was wrong to fight over money. Perhaps I am rationalizing my futile efforts to make two judges (one in 2004-2006 and another one in 2014-2016) provide inheritance justice, but that effort was key in exposing the ugly truth about who these "friends" and relatives were in their heart. If I had accepted their offer, they would have continued to prop up the illusion I had lived under my entire life, that they cared for me as much as I cared for them.

I still care for them and have, though it has been difficult to do, forgiven them for their sin. But I resolved, as far back as 2006, that until they repent of their sin, I will not feed their sick need by associating with them. All they have to do to make amends is write a letter admitting their wrong, apologizing for it, and making restitution. A sister called to say my father died in 2008. The same sister called to say her husband died in 2014. My oldest brother called a few times in 2014, just asking me to call him. Another brother called in 2016 with a message about a "motion" he was going to file (which he never filed - all those calls were about the last bit of highway robbery going on at the court on their behalf). The same sister that called in 2008 and 2014, the one who had been the "Christian" mouthpiece thoughout my siblings' attempt at manipulating me since the year 2000, called in 2017. I think that was to tell me about the death of my oldest brother at 77 (he had Parkinsons for nearly 20 years and colon cancer for over a decade).

I had picked up (I'm a bit slow) on this particular sister's (the other two are far more into abrasive mocking and cheap shots) practice, since 2006, of engaging in manipulative false compassion punctuated, when she figured my guard was down, with guilt trip psychology. Her last suggestion was that the best thing I could do is make out a an affidavit rejecting any and all claims to inheritance from my parents. I said I would do that right after she did and said goodbye. I stopped answering her calls after 2006.

I didn't learn of my oldest brother's death in 2017 until this month. I hope he made it, but his total loyalty to my brother Larry, the ringleader of the inheritance scam (who committed routine adultery with my first wife, and who I believe is the father of one or both of my "children", both who sided 100% with "Uncle" Larry on the inheritance "issue") with my father and all my other siblings, does not give me confidence.

When I confronted Larry about his 1971-1988 routine adultery many years later (over the phone in 2004 during the Larry's first inheritance lawsuit scam against me), he said, "She's not my type.". Now where have you heard that recently? Birds of a feather, and all that.

My present wife Carmen had always claimed I didn't have enough evidence that Larry was the possible father of one or both of my children, since I had never done any DNA testing to find out for sure. I agreed my suspicions were circumstantial but insisted, for many reasons of observed behavior I could not list completely even if I talked for several hours, that he had to be the father.

Over the phone (earlier in 2004), even before the "She's not my type" remark Larry made to me, Carmen had a conversation with Larry about how estranged my "children" were (and still are) from me (Ever so clever Larry was posing this as a ploy to convince Carmen to persuade me to grant an inheritance power of attorney to my "daughter"), Carmen stated that I could not trust said daughter and mentioned my paternity doubts to Larry without accusing Larry. Larry instantly said that was "ridiculous because of the blood tests".  Carmen had said nothing about "blood tests". Larry had that quicky answer too ready at hand. He didn't say I should check the DNA. Larry's prepared answer was exactly the thing you would expect if he and my ex-wife had conspired to respond this way in the event that the issue of dubious paternity came up. Someone who had never questioned said paternity would ask about blood tests or DNA, not claim the paternity issue had already been "settled by blood tests".

I don't recall ever discussing blood tests with Larry. I never bothered with blood test math when I learned the blood types of my "children" when they were born because it did not occur to me at the time that anyone but me could be the father! So, who, exactly, discussed those blood tests with Larry, if not my ex-wife? And, more importantly, WHY would my ex-wife discuss blood tests with my brother Larry who lived next door when both of my "children" were born?

When Carmen heard that, she began to take my doubts seriously, but was still not totally convinced.

As Trump did recently, the, "She's not my type" unstated (but BLATANT) message is that the ONLY reason to immorally do or not do whatever is whether said woman is a certain "type" or not. For Larry, the flippant remark directed at me was obviously a sneering bit of cruel mockery and disdain for any concept of morality whatsoever. IOW, the fact that he is my brother is, to him, irrelevant in deciding whether to commit adultery with my wife. This is the way sociopaths think.

After Larry's "She's not my type" remark to me, considering that his wife, since 2001 or so, is an olive skinned Puerto Rican lady that is very much (as opposed to his blonde and blue eyed ex-wife from Maine) the same "type" as my ex-wife, Carmen became convinced that my fingering Larry as the possible father of one or both of my "children" is reality based.

At any rate, even DNA lab work to establish paternity is a challenge when two brothers are the candidates. Blood tests, in these cases, are less than useless.

My subsequent disconnection from all these manipulators and hypocrites (some of them claim to be "Christians") has given me a great deal of peace. All of them share "greed is good" personality traits.

Which brings us back to why I do not move. You see, all of them mostly do not like Vermont or want to live here.

My wife and I will live out our days, whether they be the Last Days prophesied in the Bible or not, in Vermont.

The Czar's Blessing for my family and former "friends":
 

Posted by: AGelbert
« on: January 04, 2024, 06:51:27 pm »

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AGelbert > Adam G. Yoksas
I rarely post here anymore because my metaphysical view of reality is rejected by materialists here. I am making an exception because of this profoundly insightful observation by you:

"If all that matters is one's material and measurable attributes, then it is no wonder why the only things that makes life meaningful are material and measurable things."

Well, ALL that MATTERS to ALL materialists is the 3D Universe. Consequently, any other "version" of reality is rejected outright as, at best, the delusions of a wishful thinking fool or, more frequently, the hate filled ravings of a "Christo-Fascist" bigot. So, you are talking to a WALL when you ask materialists to look beyond their, "3D Universe is IT" Procrustean Bed.

No amount of science based logic will convince materialists that their worldview is the ultimate Procrustean Bed. Evidence that they are totally irony challenged is their response to the irrefutable probability and statistcs cellular biochemistry math based impossibility of the evolution of biochemicals to even the simplest bacterial cell life through random undirected processes. They yawn and say, "We'll figure that out eventually...". They can't" figure out" HOW life came into being but they can, with a straight face, militantly assert that Theism is "evidence of deluded wishful thinking"... 🤦‍♂️

The fact is that materialists are so full of pride that they will not even consider the possibility that they can be wrong about the nature of ✨ reality.

Atheists, at least the ones who have not replaced ethics with 🦍 Social Darwinism YET, will quote MLK Jr (see below) without any sense of irony, and five minutes later lambast anyone "ignorant" enough to believe that "God created this Universe, and everything in it, and us in His Image and likeness", never mind that silly superstition about, "Jesus Christ needing to die for our sins because of our fallen nature".


I agree with Chris Hedges. Atheists are interested in undermining the credibility of Theists, not objective discussion:


I know in Whom I have believed. I pray that all materialists will someday realize they MUST be like chldren, or all the good they seek for mankind in general, and themselves in particular, is in vain.   


📢🚨 WARNING of Darwinian Social Decay and Destruction


newestbeginning > Agelbert
Hi Agelbert, I am going to address a few of your points:

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I rarely post here anymore because my metaphysical view of reality is rejected by materialists here.

Sorry to hear that you find it unpleasant or unproductive to post here because of this. I know you have strong feelings about your spirituality. AFAICS, you are a great role model for spirituality so that is to be commended.

One of my greatest friends is a studied materialist. Behind all of that, he is also very spiritual. He tells me I am a terrible materialist; that my view of reality is quite different than his. I am probably also a terrible spiritualist so have a home in neither camp.

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"If all that matters is one's material and measurable attributes, then it is no wonder why the only things that makes life meaningful are material and measurable things."

Well, ALL that MATTERS to ALL materialists is the 3D Universe.

It is a pretty deep discussion when you get to what makes life meaningful for people - and I think it is a mistake to generalize as you guys have done here. Consumerism sure has taken hold of us here in the US in particular - we waste so much, go into debt to buy poorly made stuff we don't really want or need.

I think this trend is because of the pressures of capitalism. I have seen figures between 38 and 57% of Americans thinking of themselves as religious - so a lack of spirituality would not explain the massive draw of people to possess "stuff".
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Consequently, any other "version" of reality is rejected outright as, at best, the delusions of a wishful thinking fool or, more frequently, the hate filled ravings of a "Christo-Fascist" bigot. So, you are talking to a WALL when you ask materialists to look beyond their,"3D Universe is IT" Procrustean Bed.
Given we can't see what lies beyond the observable 3D universe, whatever exists is subject to speculation at best. Quantum Physics has sure turned up some freaky stuff that is hard to fit one's mind around. Who knows what else is undiscovered? Because that something is unknown and not understood doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Evidence that they are totally irony challenged is their response to the irrefutable probability and statistcs cellular biochemistry math based impossibility of the evolution of biochemicals to even the simplest bacterial cell life through random undirected processes. They yawn and say, "We'll figure that out eventually...". They can't" figure out" HOW life came into being but they can, with a straight face, militantly assert that Theism is "evidence of deluded wishful thinking"... 🤦‍♂️
I readily admit I don't know how life came into being and don't think anyone knows, At this stage, I am ok without knowing.

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The fact is that materialists are so full of pride that they will not even consider the possibility that they can be wrong about the nature of ✨ reality.

Sure many are. But it is also humble to say "I don't know". Not knowing and the drive to learn is the germ of scientific research which like everything else, is constantly changing and evolving. :-)
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"God created this Universe, and everything in it, and us in His Image and likeness", never mind that silly superstition about, "Jesus Christ needing to die for our sins because of our fallen nature".
There is too much inconsistency - or at least too much that is way outside my pay grade in all of that. With the horrors that man perpetrates on the world and other people, is does that tell us who God IS? I would hope not.
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I agree with Chris Hedges. Atheists are interested in undermining the credibility of Theists, not objective discussion:
The atheists I know, including some fallen clergy, have more of a problem with the business of religion and the phony seeming people who wear their purported religion on their sleeve, but who fail to attempt to walk the walk, than with actual practicing theists.

Terrible crimes against humanity have been and are being perpetrated in the name of religion. Many of us want to distance ourselves from the wanton cruelty, violence and hatred.

AGelbert > newestbeginning
You have a good heart, but this is where the buck stops with me. IMHO, the core existential issue of here is not alleged "GOOD" or "EVIL" behavior among humans. I am perfectly comfortable with any egalitarian port in the ideological storm. I read and agree with much, VERY MUCH, that I see and read here, Counterpunch, Palestine Chroncle, Electronic Intifada, Chris Hedges Report, Thinking Muslim (just found this one - good analysis of mideast situation there), Geopolitical Economy Report, Al Jazeera, Mondoweiss, TruthDig, Truthout, Ralph Nader, Real Progressives, etc.

IMHO, the core issue is that the radically differing worldviews between atheists and theists always lead to irreconcilable differences in perception of the deleterious, or beneficial, effect on our species of any action resulting from the ideology of some cohort, whether dominant or not. That is, the Atheistic worldview that the physical manifestation of the Universe is all there is VERSUS the Theistic worldview that the physical manifestation of the Universe is ONLY a TINY portion of reality in a Universe where physical death is a transition to a FAR more lengthy period of expanded consciousness, FAR beyond the limits of our physical body five senses, produce radically different perceptions of the effect of the same observed events in human affairs.

As good old Sherlock Holmes (might have said), it is elementary that, eternity aside for a moment, if YOUR LONGEVITY is 30 centuries or more, 80 years of which you were encased in a physical biochemical matrix before transitioning to full metaphysical life, the time in which your spirit is encased in a body must be viewed with the proper perspective. IF, on the other hand, 80 years or so is all you get before you get the dubious privilege of being recycled by goddess gaia, your FOCUS is going to be EXCLUSIVELY on YOUR PHYSICAL WELFARE for those 80 yeas or so. Why die to save someone else's life, if this is all there is? Lemmings do what they do because of some instinct. If you want to make the argument that "Evolution" helped our species survive and thrive by our willingness to fight and die for our species, then you get into the weeds of who is the "fittest" and who ain't. Any rational biologist will calmly explain to you that brilliant humans, who never had offspring, dying from disease does absolutely nothing to aid the "evolution" of the species. Nobody gives a drowning victim an IQ test, or asks if they had any children yet, before deciding whether or not it is "worth it" to try to save the drowning person. I won't get any more long winded on this. I have tried to explain why Darwinian 'survival of the fittest' "logic" has always been BS here before, but atheists turn their ears and eyes off whenever anybody bothers them by "tarnishing" their Atheist Bible Hero, so I will leave it there.

Back to Atheistic versus Theistic wordview differences                     

As the Social Darwinism promoting Game Theorists make CLEAR, guile can play a role in your logical goal to get whatever you can by pretending to be altruistic until you can destroy the human competition you pretended to befriend (ALL friendships are pretenses according to Game Theory - EVERYONE who is honest about our 3D Universe REALITY is EGOCENTRIC) for goods and resources at an opportune time.

These Game Theory advocating BASTARDS are all atheists, though they do methodically make it CLEAR that pretending to embrace some Theistic RELIGION can be an effective ploy, along with  pretending to have ETHICS.

There is SO MUCH GUILE in human discourse that it makes me want to vomit. All this "enlightened self interest" CRAP and all this Voltaire BS about "The Enlightenment" makes me sick to my stomach. From Machiavelli to Voltaire to John Adams (👈 senior moment - I meant to write Adam Smith  😕)  to Thomas Jefferson, LEGERDEMAIN WORKAROUNDS TO ETHICS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SADDLED WITH!

YET, you atheists eat that "HUMAN SOCIAL PROGRESS" LEGERDEMAIN like cotton candy at a fair.     

Oh, but the Popes (one corrupt POS greedball after another) did this and that. HOW did the POPE "do this and that, pray tell"? The POPES used LIES, USURY, THEFT, TORTURE, MURDER, CHEATING, etc.!  WHAT does THAT HAVE TO DO WITH RELIGION? NOTHING!  THAT WAS HERESY!

WHY do you atheists INSIST on equating HERESY with HONEST BIBLE BASED THEISM? The HERETICS calling themselves "Christians" who support GENOCIDE against Palestinians by Israeli Zionist HELLSPAWN HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH "MIGHT EQUALS RIGHT" SOCIAL DARWINISM AND NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION!!!  It's the use of GAME THEORY GUILE at it's MOST stomach churning EVIL!
   

I celebrate efforts by you and other atheists anywhere who are ethics based, but I am weary of "religion" being used as a whipping boy. I have HAD IT with people of good will ignoring the FACT that most greedballs out there, since time immemorial, have USED some "deity" as an excuse to compete in making the hit parade of in-our-faces continuous breaking of the Ten Commandments for hellspawn fun and profit.

Greedballs DO NOT believe in ANY "god" BUT THEMSEVES, no matter WHAT THEY SAY! Atheists cannot seem to get that through their UNspiritual heads. ALL atheists SEE, no matter how much they claim to be, "spiritual", is the 3D universe. In a universe with no metaphysical nature, there are NO SPIRITS. There is NOTHING BEYOND PHYSICAL LIFE, PERIOD. There is NO LIFE AFTER PHYSICAL DEATH. There is NON-EXISTENCE after death, PERIOD.

Poetry DOES NOT APPLY, though atheists love to use it to when honoring fallen people of good will, like that Palestinian Poet 🕊️ Refaat Alareer bombed to death by the Israeli Zionist IDF HELLSPAWN, who wrote about anyone seeing a kite with a white tail would be seeing him smiling from beyond. NO WAY THAT CAN HAPPEN if the 3D universe is all there is, as you atheists firmly believe. Yet, committed atheist Caitlin Johnstone, a person of 🕊️ good will who cried over Refaat Alareer, made a painting of him, and quoted his kite included poem, sees no irony in honoring a person that, according to her materialist Procrustean Bed, NO LONGER EXISTS.

I will not get into a word parsing waste of time on the definition of "spiritual", but if it means, "not being meanspirited", then I can see the misunderstanding. Collectivist Activist, you, milo dmorista, Caitlin Johnstone, Dmar, etc. et al and many others here are certainly NOT meanspirited; You are noble fighters for justice equity, peace and harmony in this Valley of Tears, BUT NONE of you believe that metaphysics is anything but a fanciful la-la land made up by we Theists. No matter how you wish to present your view as compassionate, you have ZERO respect for the Theistic worldview.

Atheists are victims. Does that make you laugh? Does that make you scoff? Does that make you pity the ignorance of a fellow like me that makes the claim that you atheists are victims of a box canyon logic based Procrustean Bed? IF you laugh, scoff, pity or FEEL any other emotion besides curiousity, as to what my basis for making that "irrational" (to an atheist) claim is, then you are the irrational party here.

The point I have obviously failed to get accross to you atheists, most of you who have a thorough knowledge of human history, is that MONOTHEISTS HAVE PREVENTED FAR MORE EVIL than those PSEUDO-MONOTHEISTS carrying the label have caused. YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO THERE. YOU DO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT PERCENTAGES. YOU REFUSE TO SEE that the "MIGHT EQUALS RIGHT" HELLSPAWN are FAR MORE PREVALENT in SOCIALLY DESTRUCTIVE ACTIONS BY TPTB than RELIGION.

On the day that someone here, hopefully you, FINALLY decides to be OBJECTIVE about the PERCENTAGES of the different ideological and religious influences (i.e. WHO were the MOST THAT DID WHAT to corrupt human civilization over the past 2000 years), I will be happy to post here again.


Dmar3 > Agelbert
I don't see very many atheist forced birthers, and the one I did argue against decades was basically alt-right (ie, a racist fascist so with a lot of problems in his thinking already) before alt-right was even terminology. Otherwise they've been Christians.

Agelbert > Dmar3


Dear Dmar3, your argument is equivalent to condemning the Health Care Profession because some malevolent, but very intelligent, resourceful and ambitious Doctors and Nurses are psychos that position themselves in nursing homes and/or intensive care units of Hospitals in order to murder patients. There is a proportionality distinction deficit in your argument that you do not want to acknowledge, despite irrefutable historically documented evidence of socially constructive good will by the overwhelmig majority of Theists, be they Christians or not.

I don't blame you modern day Atheists of good will for the 100's of thousands, if not mllions, of humans murdered because of the actions/orders/influence of atheists (in thought, word and deed) Genghis Kahn, Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin and Henry Kissinger, to name some of the more egregious examples of true believers in "Might Equals Right". Why do you blame ALL Christians for some corrupt bastards among us?

I do not  do divide and conquer fascist wedge issues; I'll stick with Matthew 7:12 ("Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."), NOT because it is the ethical thing to do (though it certainly is if you aren't a masochist or a sadist), but because Jesus Christ COMMANDED me to do it as a condition to my obtaining everlasting LIFE. I cannot do this on my own; I require the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit to aid me in this endeavor that is otherwise impossible for my human fallen spirit flesh.  I will do that, God willing, until my last breath in this Valley of Tears.     

God Bless you, Dmar3.

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« on: December 11, 2023, 01:33:24 pm »

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« on: December 04, 2023, 02:13:08 pm »

The Bible DOES NOT ENTITLE Israel to the Promised Land According to the Book of Numbers.    WHY NOT?

Zionists, exactly like the Pseudo-christians here in the USA (all "Gott" MIns Uns full throated supporters of Zionist murder and mayhem) are about as Torah = Bible Pentateuch "based" as socially destructive Social Darwinism is "based" on socially constructive Altruism. IOW, the Zionist Ideology is Orwellian to the CORE!

Zionism is an Orwellian perversion of ☝🏻 Judaism. Zionists "justify" their land grabs by sanctimoniously quoting the Torah on all the promises of land God made to Abraham, the boundaries of which were specifically stated in the Book of Numbers. I bring it up because, as a Christian, I can firmly state that ALL those promises were contingent on OBEDIENCE to Jehovah that DID NOT, according to that same Bible, take place. Thus, all those "land" claims are null and void due to Covenant Breaking by ALL the 12 Hebrew Tribes.

That is why I get so exercised every time some intellimoron zionist or Hagee fascist "Christian" spews all that happy talk about how "God wants Israel to have all that land".

Anyone that REALLY is a Christian, or a Torah believing Jew for that matter, knows the land claims are spurious, and have not been valid since LONG before Christ showed up.

Of course, the inconvenient parts of Scripture do not stop the Hasbara Propaganda spouting Zionists from "justifying" their PLAN to grab HUGE parts of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan AND a big chunk of Egypt too! Just so you can picture the total land area the Zionists want to conquer, and murder anybody there that isn't a card carrying Zionist "Jew", I made this graphic:


AND, if anybody is naïve enough to think Netanyahu and his band of Zionists will be "appeased" AFTER they slaughter millions of people in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan AND Egypt in the above lands because "God" promised them that land, you do not understand how those morally bankrupt Zionists = Social Darwinists = 🦍 Lebensraum THINK.
 

Just as I am convinced that Zionism is a perversion of Judaism, as a Christian I am equally convinced that "Christian" Dominion Theology is a perversion of Christ's Gospel. It is Anti-Christian in thought, word and deed to "justify" the  Heretical Idea (SEE: "Might equals Right" Social Darwinist Doctrine of Demons) that Christ's Great Commission "can be achieved through coercive force".

Matthew 7:12 totally rejects violence or coersion of any sort for followers of Jesus Christ. The BATTLE is of the Lord, and it is 100% a Spiritual Battle, not one to fight by using physical weapons to physically injure and kill fellow human beings.

The Catholic Church dreamed up the "Just War" Blasphemy many centuries ago. Too many nominal "Christians" today, particularly "Evangelicals", who righfully view Catholicism's Mariology as a Heresy, nevertheless cannot get it through their carnal national flag waving heads that a "Just War" is an oxymoron.   

MESSAGE to anyone that claims Christians should support Israel's "Promised Land" claims: As far as eternity is concerned, ownership of all the land you conquered through deceit, cruelty and murder is worthless. A moving van never follows a hearse.

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« on: November 27, 2023, 04:06:32 pm »

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dreamjoehill  > AGelbert
NDE's do not prove that individual consciousness survives physical death. Neither do they disprove it.

A friend who had an NDE had the hovering above, the racing towards a light, but eventually found himself facing the void or the abyss, where individual consciousness disappears and melds with the universe.

AGelbert  > dreamjoehill
I will pray for both you and your friend.
God Bless 👉 you and 👉 your friend, and lead 🕊️ 👉 all people, who do unto others as they would have it done unto them, to ☝🏻 life ✨ everlasting, 🙏🏼 Amen.

dreamjoehill  > AGelbert
I take a pluralist view of religion and God(s).

As a rebel, I have some sympathy for the devil, patron angel of lost causes and unwinnable wars.
In Euripides the Bachae, (aka Pan's coterie of wild women), tear King Pentheus to pieces while under Pan's rapture.

Pan cannot recognize the cruelty of the events because he cannot comprehend the concept at all.

Important parts of my spirituality occur outside rational, verbal understanding.

The Golden rule is cool, but what about the self destructive };-)]

Then there's the pleasure principle. Harming none, do what thou will.

Or as Hunter wrote

Think this through with me, let me know your mind
Wo-oh, what I want to know is, are you kind?

AGelbert  > dreamjoehill
🤠 Interesting. Do you actually believe there is a spiritual entity (i.e. Devil CEO of devils team of lost causes and unwinnable wars) that influences human decision making processes, or do you consider the concept of the "devil" a "quixotic causes" metaphor?

Spirituality cannnot exist if we have no spirit. I am convinced we have an immortal spirit which is actually what enables the meat suit to function as a self aware being, rather than an animal ruled by instinct. From your posts about NDEs, you think we go full stop when our meat suit based heart stops. So, you obviously think your 'spirit' is, like your brain, eyes and so on, alive as long as your meat suit is alive. It seems to me that your use of the word, "spirit", like your use of the word, "devil", is also a metaphor.

Pan is a myth about a "free fellow" with weird anatomy. If the Pagan Pan myth had not been postulated by the 20th century, I'm sure Niezsche (member in good standing of the Social Darwinists 'R' US) would have invented him. Pan could care less about what anybody thinks of his behavior. The Pan Myth is nothing but a total rejection of any human agent or social organization with the temerity to claim ethics are sine qua non for a stable, vibrant and healthy human civilization. The pretense that Pan is "benignly blind" to the evil behavior by his wild women is pure and unadulterated legerdemain for the not so disguised purpose of legitimizing moral bankruptcy.


Arrogant claims by self-worshipping people with zero regard for the welfare of their neighbor(s) are nothing new, though I can certainly understand how a person that embraces ethics free immediate gratification would reject any recommendation by principled individuals like Socrates (SEE: "The unexamined life is not worth living.").
         

Yep, masochists, sadists and psychos and so on are not those Jesus Christ was Commanding when He said Matthew 7:12, which was nothing new to the Jews at that time, since the Torah also contains the Golden rule.

As to Hunter, that fellow had a gift for code speech. His definition of the verb, "kind" is quite deliberately left to the reader's feverish imagination. IMHO, Hunter wasn't exactly a parragon of ethical prinicples. Wasn't he the one that said, "American Politics is a Blood Sport"? 🤦‍♂️ It does not take a whole lot of imagination to figure out that Brother Hunter was accepting the criminally corrupt political status quo as "that's jes how it is, folks" (😒 Social Darwinist, much? 😕).
📢There is absolutely NOTHING "sporting" about offing the political competition. Word games can be lots of fun, but the use of them to normalize morally bankrupt behavior is socially destructive.


To your Pleasure Principle point about all those pleasures of the lust of the flesh that allegedly "harm no one" 🙄, jealousy and vengeance are the cause of a most murders. A MUCH greater percentage of murders are motivated by suspected or discovered adulterous behavior than the desire for material gains.

The "Pleasure Principle" is a clever play on words that does not stand up to its "Harm No One" postulate when the deleterious social effects of promiscuity are dispassionately included in the percentage of said actions with "benign (no other human or animal involved)" effects. How "benign" is mas-tur-ba-tion when your wife knows you are doing it? OR, why hide it from her if it is so "benign"? "How socially "benign" is pornography when women feel they "don't come up to the standards" of the "beauties"that their partner wants to view on a daily basis? The Lust of the Flesh is a form of SLAVERY.       

I'm 77, and whether in the mind or in the body, I have been guilty of willfully breaking every single one of the Ten Commandments, MANY times.  I AM a SINNER, as you are. Only through the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ can we be freed from the SLAVERY of sin.

The 🐷 carrot (e.g. "Pleasure Principle") is every bit as much, or more, as tragically effective as the 🦍 stick in Satan's 'clever strategies' toolbox used to guide us, one pusillanimous justification after another, to perdition. You will, no doubt, scoff at the following Scripture. I will pray that you ponder those words in your heart:

James 4:1-7
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

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« on: November 24, 2023, 05:15:23 pm »




It is in VAIN for us to claim that we would today NOT scorn Godly men's actions of long ago, as they were scorned by their contemporaries.

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« on: November 19, 2023, 10:59:06 pm »

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« on: November 17, 2023, 12:46:55 am »

The Story of The Apostle 🕊️ Peter: The Crucified Disciple (Part 2 of 2)


The Story of the Apostle Peter: The Crucified Disciple (Part 2 of 2)

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They say that you act in accordance to the story you think you're living out. That is no more true for Peter than it is for us. This riveting tale of the disciple who learns what it means to suffer comes to life in new ways in this exciting exploration of The Life of Peter.

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0:00-4:11 – The Death of Jesus Christ
4:12-6:19 – God and Savior
6:20-9:08 – Pentecost
9:09-14:16 – The New Community
14:17-18:24 – Simon Magus
18:25-24:00 – Miracles and Opposition
24:01-27:38 – To Rome and Back
27:29-31:34 – The Final Missionary Journey
31:35-34:51 – Peter's Leadership in Rome
34:52-38:44 – The Death of the Apostle Peter
38:45-39:42 – 

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The Life and Witness of Peter by Larry R Heyler
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Posted by: AGelbert
« on: November 16, 2023, 10:27:12 pm »

The Story of The Apostle 🕊️ Peter: The Crucified Disciple (Part 1 of 2)


The Story of the Apostle Peter: The Crucified Disciple (Part 1 of 2)

Bible Unbound 670,960 views Premiered May 12, 2023
They say that you act in accordance to the story you think you're living out. That is no more true for Peter than it is for us. This riveting tale of the disciple who learns what it means to suffer comes to life in new ways in this exciting exploration of The Life of Peter.

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Timestamps:
0:00-4:29 – Welcome to Galilee
4:30-10:25 – Follow Me
10:26-14:30 – Peter Proclaims the Christ
14:31-17:46 – The Keys of the Kingdom
17:47-21:39 – The Road to the Cross
21:40-25:33 – By His Wounds
25:34-31:14 – Rejoice and Be Glad

Resources:
The Life and Witness of Peter by Larry R Heyler
The Tyndale Bible Dictionary
The ESV Reformation Study Bible Condensed Edition
Tyndale New Testament Commentaries R.T., France
https://www.britannica.com/biography/...
https://www.gotquestions.org/life-Pet...