AGelbert NOTE (All graphics and emojies for info, emphasis, doubting honesty, exposing pearl clutching sacharine dishonesty and fallacious attack the messenger legerdemain by atheists are by 
me.): The following unreasonable replies and comments directed at me from some Atheists are a testament to what we Christians are subjected to when attempting to 🕯️ reason with Atheists in regard to the merits of
🕊️ Christ's Gospel and the plethora of
scientific evidence that a
Providencial, Loving, Just God Created our Universe and LIFE within it and that our spirits continue to exist after physical death for eternity. I will never achieve the level of dedication and steadfastness that 🕊️
Paul the Apostle did, but this quote form Paul in the
Word of God provides comfort for me. I can relate:
ADDED NOTE: For those who may think that
Caitlin Johnstone is not a
committed Atheist that firmly believes there is
NO LIFE AFTER DEATH, despite here poetry about a Dead Poet
smiling down from the great beyond via the white waving tail of a kite, here are a few quotes from her lamenting WHY Humans can be so destructive and evil and HOW we will eventually "evolve" out of that. I have placed in bold some parts so that no person, at least no person who still uses reason to think and come to OBVIOUS conclusions, can seriously entertain ANY doubt that
Caitlin Johnstone is a True Believer in her Atheist Hero Charles Darwin's "
Theory
": How did we get here? How were we duped into trading paradise on earth for this lunatic dystopia? How did we allow ourselves to give up everything our species has the capability to be in exchange for this nightmarish paradigm of endless ecocide and exploitation and oppression and war and militarism?
Near as I can tell, it’s ultimately because our species evolved these massive brains very quickly which we still haven’t learned how to use in a mature way, like a kid learning to ride a bicycle right after the training wheels have been removed. This has allowed us to dominate the planet while still ourselves being dominated by primitive fear-based impulses which were much better suited for our early evolutionary ancestors as they strived to survive the dangerous plains of Africa as small prey animals. ... ...
The most clever of these manipulators are able to use their cleverness to rise to the top of our political, governmental, commercial and financial systems around the world, and they use increasingly sophisticated methods of propaganda to dupe the rest of us into moving in alignment with their will. And their will is not wise or intelligent; it’s driven by the same primitive fear-based impulses that the rest of the humans trapped in egoic consciousness are driven by.
So here we are. That’s why we now find ourselves in this profoundly dysfunctional civilization where the biosphere is treated like an enemy and human beings are treated like fuel and minds are being marinated in an increasingly vapid mainstream culture where everything is fake and stupid. That’s why we don’t have paradise on earth, and that’s why the bombs are falling on Gaza today.
But it is just a phase. A kid who’s learning to ride a bike doesn’t remain on wobbly wheels forever. Eventually we’ll get the hang of this thing. Eventually we’ll grow into these giant new brains of ours and become a conscious species.
Assuming we don’t wipe ourselves out first, of course.
January 5, 2024
newestbeginning > AGelbertDear agelbert, I think it is a mistake to characterize all atheists/theists as monolith and maybe also to imagine we understand each other.
Given we don't know how much time we have, we should use what we have as well as we can. Living a kind, generous and loving life to the extent we can, will do us no harm - even if we have a few million more years after that. We can know what people do. We cannot know what other people think or believe except to the extent they tell us and we pay attention to what they say.
Also, a fundamental principle in living life is understandingand accepting that there is more we don't know than we can ever know. Socrates wisely said, the wisest is the one who knows that he knows nothing. We simply cannot know what we do not know and there is more about physical manifestations than we know. We cannot adequately describe what life is, nor consciousness. Materialists realize that what we know is a tiny sliver of all there is to know. What happens after death is unknowable, so why not live the best life we can while we know that we can do it? There is no downside to that
IF, on the other hand, 80 years or so is all you get before you get the dubious privilege of being recycled by goddess gaia, your FOCUS is going to be EXCLUSIVELY on YOUR PHYSICAL WELFARE for those 80 years or so.
I do not know where you get this notion.
It does not fit with what I see or try to do.
Many people
spend their lives serving the interests of others. You know, when I volunteered in various roles attempting to relieve suffering of the vulnerable, it had nothing to do with my physical welfare. It was simply my way of fulfilling my human obligation to other people. With the religious, these sorts of things are considered transactional.
For the non-religious, they are simply about contributing what one can to the wellbeing of others.
As the Social Darwinism promoting Game Theorists make CLEAR, guile can play a role in your logical goal to get whatever you can by pretending to be altruistic until you can destroy the human competition you pretended to befriend (ALL friendships are pretenses according to Game Theory - EVERYONE who is honest about our 3D Universe REALITY is EGOCENTRIC) for goods and resources at an opportune time.
I guess Social Darwinists would do so but not every atheist is a Social Darwinist. It is a mistake to make that assumption.
YET, you atheists eat that "HUMAN SOCIAL PROGRESS" LEGERDEMAIN like cotton candy at a fair.
Huh?
WHY do you atheists INSIST on equating HERESY with HONEST BIBLE BASED THEISM? The HERETICS calling themselves "Christians" who support GENOCIDE against Palestinians by Israeli Zionist HELLSPAWN HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH "MIGHT EQUALS RIGHT" SOCIAL DARWINISM AND NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION!!! It's the use of GAME THEORY GUILE at it's MOST stomach churning EVIL!
I don't know why people confuse heresy with honest theism other than the fact we can't read people's minds. It is sometimes hard to tell the difference as both claim "purity". Besides, atheists are subject to the same habits of overgeneralizing errors that Theists are, and they make the sort of errors that 🐒 you are making here.
Also, many of us have had so many
terrible experiences while attempting to participate in, and join religion, that we seek to avoid more abuse.
I celebrate efforts by you and other atheists anywhere who are ethics based, but I am weary of "religion" being used as a whipping boy. I have HAD IT with people of good will ignoring the FACT that most greedballs out there, since time immemorial, have USED some "deity" as an excuse to compete in making the hit parade of in-our-faces continuous breaking of the Ten Commandments for hellspawn fun and profit.
Greedballs DO NOT believe in ANY "god" BUT THEMSEVES, no matter WHAT THEY SAY! Atheists cannot seem to get that through their UNspiritual heads. ALL atheists SEE, no matter how much they claim to be, "spiritual", is the 3D universe. In a universe with no metaphysical nature, there are NO SPIRITS. There is NOTHING BEYOND PHYSICAL LIFE, PERIOD. There is NO LIFE AFTER PHYSICAL DEATH. There is NON-EXISTENCE after death, PERIOD.
Thank you for kind words.
Why is "religion" a whipping boy? Because "religion" that is decried is a business like any other
, that tries to pretend it is something else.
Greedballs DO NOT believe in ANY "god" BUT THEMSEVES, no matter WHAT THEY SAY! Atheists cannot seem to get that through their UNspiritual heads.
Of course. The problem is religious belief is unfalsifiable.
All one needs to claim the religious mantle is to make the claim that one believes.
if the 3D universe is all there is, as you atheists firmly believe.
See this is a problem because I have never said I firmly believe the 3D universe is all there is, and have not implied it to my knowledge, so why would you make this hostile
assumption? It is a serious impediment to discussion.
If Johnstone incorporated the kite metaphor, perhaps
SHE doesn't believe what 🐵 you think she believes.
BUT NONE of you believe that metaphysics is anything but a fanciful la-la land made up by we Theists. No matter how you wish to present your view as compassionate, you have ZERO respect for the Theistic worldview.
I have tried to get my head around metaphysics
and it is mostly a realm I do not understand. Reading others, it seems to be a realm most people don't understand either
and those who do, have strong beliefs that "🐵 they" know the truth, but everyone else doesn't. I don't have
any such certainty and do not understand how others can "get there". There are more questions for me, than there are answers.
Atheists are victims. Does that make you laugh? Does that make you scoff? Does that make you pity the ignorance of a fellow like me that makes the claim that you atheists are victims of a box canyon logic based Procrustean Bed? IF you laugh, scoff, pity or FEEL any other emotion besides curiousity, as to what my basis for making that "irrational" (to an atheist) claim is, then you are the irrational party here.
I
don't know what you are talking about here nor
what you mean by victims. The victimhood that I see is the lack of connection between fellow human beings; the separation from other people - and bitter loneliness that results from the barriers we erect.
The point I have obviously failed to get accross to you atheists, most of you who have a thorough knowledge of human history, is that MONOTHEISTS HAVE PREVENTED FAR MORE EVIL than those PSEUDO-MONOTHEISTS carrying the label have caused. YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO THERE. YOU DO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT PERCENTAGES. YOU REFUSE TO SEE that the "MIGHT EQUALS RIGHT" HELLSPAWN are FAR MORE PREVALENT in SOCIALLY DESTRUCTIVE ACTIONS BY TPTB than RELIGION.
On the day that someone here, hopefully you, FINALLY decides to be OBJECTIVE about the PERCENTAGES of the different ideological and religious influences (i.e. WHO were the MOST THAT DID WHAT to corrupt human civilization over the past 2000 years), I will be happy to post here again.
I can't tell the difference between a fake Christian or a real one
; as you say here, many who make the claim do so as cover for antisocial and violent behavior.
This is obviously a subject near and dear to your heart.
If you would like to post about it, please do. We can make a new post about it if you want.
AGelbert > newestbeginningI am overwrought right now. This GENOCIDE in Palestine has got me down, down, down. The following is an abbreviated reply. I'll reply fully some other day. Today I am monitoring the situation in Palestine and the outrageous plan by Biden to attack the Sans Allah (i.e. Houthis) INSTEAD of just telling the Zionist Crazies to stop murdering people in Gaza:
You are entitled to your opinion, but atheists are the ones doing most of "monolithing" demonization of against Christians. Here's a (far too common) example from atheist Dan Smith today:
Dan Smith January 5, 2024
There is no dog almighty you totally delusional fool. Why would this dog almighty let "chrisitians", the largest genoicidists EVER create all sorts of nutty RW christian sects that have always been as bad and worse than all the epsteins of the world.
Why would a dog almighty aid and abet the American Holocaust, all the scum founding liars, founding genocidists, founding rapists and slavers?
You and idiots like you support the most evil people ever.
Dmar3 is certainly more polite than Dan Smith, but her message is delivered in the exactly same (pardon the non-materialist pun) spirit. I've never seen you ask Dmar3 to be more measured in tone, so you cannot claim that you do not support her habitual irrational broad brush condemnation of Religion in general and Christians in particular.
Plato's Cave is far more applicable to my claim that you atheists limit yourselves to a materialist Procrustean Bed than anything Socrates, wise as he certainly was, wrote.
My advice to you, which I'm pretty sure is already habitual for you (except on the issue of religion), is to pay attention to what people DO, and not what they SAY. The fact that you do not have any tool here to do that except written words leaves you in a quandary. The more obvious liars like fuster are easy to spot, but I could be some sanctimonious arse hole just playing head games with you. Vocabulary skills and a smattering of critical thinking ability does NOT guarantee good will or an ethical worldview, so the quandary remains.
I just look at the consistency of the posts from posters. I watch closely for inconsistencies in logic or ethics. That's the best I can do. But hey, I'm a nobody who gets 4 views in my forum when I have a good day, so my opinion is not exactly popular. And you know what, I do not blame them. I physically avoid humans like the plague. So, for all my vaunted "Christianity", I am less than useless as a force for good in this world. That is the truth as I see it. You can be nice and say that I'm just having a bad day, and I'm really one of the good guys, but when I cannot do ANYTHING to stop that GENOCIDE by MY GOVERNMENT, enthusiastically backed by Hagee Heretic Hellspawn "Christians",
I want to SCREAM!!!!!!!! You HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT FEELS to be a Christian and see people carrying that label doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Christ taught.
Rant over.
Happy 🕊️ Three Kings Day tomorow, newestbeginning.Dmar3 > AgelbertI don't see very many atheist forced birthers, and the one I did argue against decades was basically alt-right (ie, a racist fascist so with a lot of problems in his thinking already) before alt-right was even terminology. Otherwise they've been Christians.
Agelbert > Dmar3
Dear Dmar3, your argument is equivalent to condemning the Health Care Profession because some malevolent, but very intelligent, resourceful and ambitious Doctors and Nurses are psychos that position themselves in nursing homes and/or intensive care units of Hospitals in order to murder patients.
There is a proportionality distinction deficit in your argument that you do not want to acknowledge, despite irrefutable historically documented evidence of socially constructive good will by the overwhelmig majority of Theists, be they Christians or not. I don't blame you modern day Atheists of good will for the 100's of thousands, if not mllions, of humans murdered because of the actions/orders/influence of atheists (in thought, word and deed) Geghis Kahn, Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin and Henry Kissinger, to name some of the more egregious examples of true believers in "Might Equals Right". Why do you blame ALL Christians for some corrupt bastards among us?
God Bless you, Dmar3. I do not do divide and conquer fascist wedge issues; I'll stick with
Matthew 7:12 ("Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."), NOT because it is the ethical thing to do (though it certainly is if you aren't a masochist or a sadist), but because
Jesus Christ COMMANDED me to do it as a condition to my obtaining everlasting LIFE. I cannot do this on my own; I require the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit to aid me in this endeavor that is otherwise impossible for my human fallen spirit flesh. I will do that, God willing, until my last breath in this Valley of Tears.
Dmar3 > AGelbert"There is a proportionality distinction deficit in your argument that you do not want to acknowledge, despite irrefutable historically documented evidence of socially constructive good will by the overwhelmig majority of Theists, be they Christians or not."
But if that was true neither Jim Crow or slavery could've lasted as long as they did in the US. Just like right now one of the single biggest correlations with Trump support besides racist is fundamentalist Christian.
Wake up
AGelbert > Dmar3Dmar3 doing what she does:
Racist Atheist Darwin, not the
Christian Religion,
had EVERYTHING to do with THIS: THAT was the very same EVIL that "justified" continued RACIST Jim Crow (i.e. "
new-and-improved"
SLAVERY after the Civil War).
BEFORE the Civil War, it was Christian Quakers who ran the 🕊️ Underground 🗽 Railroad, but that doesn't fit your version of history, so you, of course, never mention it in your anti-religion/anti-Christian rants (GOOGLE IT, instead of making stuff up, if you doubt what I said!).
AFTER the Civil War The KKK used the basements of Southern Baptist churches to meet before they went out to burn somebody's house (
mostly Blacks, but sometimes a white Christian who didn't buy into their murderous racist UNbiblical CRAP) or
hang an African American at a church picnic attended by all those "Christians". Their HERETICAL interpretation of the racial descendents of Noah sanctimoniously made the claim that "Blacks were a servant race for Whitey". A lot of the "Evangelical Christians" are still into that Doctrine of Demons CRAP. They probably think Palestinians are part of the "servant races" too.
Their Stupid, Racist, Demonic Anti-Christian, socially destructive worldview was, and mostly still is, supported by your hero DARWIN and his followers, in thought, word, and deed. Christ's teachings are the EXACT OPPOSiTE of that.
We are ALL ONE BLOOD according to the
Christian RELIGION, no matter how many whitey racist snake oil salesmen in some pulpit claim otherwise. Your gross inability to discern between hypocrites and the real item is absolutely breathtaking, but I should be used to it by now. You are notably silent about the totally evidence free speculation that Evolutionists trot out as "science".
The ET in the flying saucer in the graphic below thinks just like you:
Dmar3, you are going full backfire effect.
Therefore, I see no further merit in using logical arguments based on historical evidence and critical thinking to address your spurious allegations and topic dodging
non sequiturs.
You are so deep inside
Plato's Cave that only a miracle will get you to see reason. Have a nice day.
AGelbert > Becker (Democratic Party Propagandist who had my detailed post exposing his hypocrisy of correctly condemning Trump's Crimes while ignoring Biden's War Crimes deleted as "spam".)
So, you have the mods "spam" my detailed reply out of existence, even though I didn't post any links? So much for "Freedom of Speech" and "Objective Discourse".
Do you "spam" Scripture too?
Surely every man walketh in a vain shew: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them. -- Psalm 39:6
Blessed is that man that maketh the Lord his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies. Psalm 40:4
Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil. -- Psalm 40:14👿 Dan Smith > AGelbertAG: Do you "spam" Scripture too?
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the lying scriptures spam the lying scriptures.
AGelbert > 👿 Dan SmithSpoken like a loyal Social Darwinist. You will reap what your Socially Destructive, Wall Street worshipping Game Theory GUILE has sown, if not in this life, then certainly in that next one you will be forced to believe in a few seconds after your last breath.
May God have mercy on you and all the other deluded, self worshipping fools out there before it is too late for you and everyone you bear the responsibility for fomenting greed in throughout your morally bankrupt life.
👿 Dan Smith > AGelbertThere is no dog almighty you totally delusional fool. Why would this dog almighty let "chrisitians", the largest genoicidists EVER create all sorts of nutty RW christian sects that have always been as bad and worse than all the epsteins of the world.
Why would a dog almighty aid and abet the American Holocaust, all the scum founding liars, founding genocidists, founding rapists and slavers?
You and idiots like you support the most evil people ever.
AGelbert > 👿 Dan SmithYour argument is equivalent to condemning the Health Care Profession because some malevolent, but very intelligent, resourceful and ambitious Doctors and Nurses are psychos that position themselves in nursing homes and/or intensive care units of Hospitals in order to murder patients.
There is a proportionality distinction deficit in your argument that you do not want to acknowledge, despite irrefutable historically documented evidence of socially constructive good will by the overwhelmig majority of Theists, be they Christians or not.I don't blame any modern day Atheists of good will (i.e. Atheists who haven't abandoned ethics in favor of Social Darwinism YET) for the
100's of thousands, if not mllions, of humans murdered because of the actions/orders/influence of atheists (in thought, word and deed) Genghis Kahn, Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin and Henry Kissinger, to name some of the more egregious examples of true believers in "Might Equals Right". Why do you blame ALL Christians for some corrupt bastards among us?
👿 Dan Smith > AGelbertA: for the 100's of thousands, if not mllions, of humans murdered ....
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Like the 100 million murdered in the American Holocaust, by white "christians", some 33 times the G Holocaust. Then there is the Aussie Holocaust, the Kiwi Holocaust, myriad usa Holocausts all over the planet.
AGelbert > 👿 Dan SmithYou are right that many who carried the "Christian" label promoted and participated in the American Holocoust. The Bible says we are ALL ONE BLOOD. The perversion of the Gospel of Christ to fit European racist land grabs is what happened in America (North AND South) AND Africa AND Australia. If you want to blame Christianity for that, then you are a true student of Orwell.
I am glad you brought up the aussie and Kiwi Holocausts. You Evolution Theory true believers OWN THAT.
It was ONLY the
Christian influences that rejected Darwin's "lesser races" racist legerdemain.
👿 Dan Smith > AGelbertNote well how there NEVER is any evidence for any dog almighty. The notion is totally illogical on its face.
AGelbert > 👿 Dan SmithWrong again.
Intelligent Design is scientifically irrefutable.
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